Jesse Carey

i think grounds it a little you know in in the idea that i'm totally open to whatever whatever it is but i think kind of taking the occam's razor approach like let's start with maybe this is conventional highly exotic technology but it doesn't originate from another planet like if you start there there's a lot of evidence that well maybe that is the case and you know

Well, and then too, and this is where like the PSYOP whole kind of aspect comes in is.

So around this time, the Robertson panel also had this little footnote.

They looked in American media of how many stories there were about UFOs.

And there were like thousands.

Right.

They did the same thing because this is, you know, kind of the early stages of the Cold War at this stage.

And the Soviets were the major concern.

They didn't find one instance of one media story talking about UFOs.

So our media is like littered with it.

Right.

And our primary adversary at the time, this isn't even something that their people, you know, or even...

you know aware of yeah according to the media so so when this the other kind of interesting anecdote is if you fast forward a little ufo culture starts kind of taking off in the us yeah right and at this point a lot of people whether it's like someone like a nick cook who you know i think i think he's he speculates about what the origins of this are but

Definitely open to the idea that it could be conventional terrestrial exotic breakthroughs and integrative technology.

But, you know, people start thinking about aliens a lot around this time.

So the other story that one of the other kind of anecdotes that we talk about is this happened.

So if you fast forward a little, this like 1980 at this stage.

And there's a guy named Paul Benowitz, and he lives right outside of Kirkland Air Force Base in New Mexico.

And he's he's a veteran.

He's a Coast Guard veteran.