Ninjas Are Butterflies
182 - Psyops, Propaganda Weapons, & Unrestricted Warfare w/ Jesse Carey
20 Feb 2026
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Chapter 1: What is psychological warfare and how is it relevant today?
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Chapter 2: What are the origins and theories surrounding Tartaria?
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His recall is nuts.
I know, it's so good.
and we're rolling. So where are you from? I'm from Virginia Beach, but I actually lived in Orlando for like three years.
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Chapter 3: How do modern sonic weapons impact military operations?
Nice. Yeah, I was an editor at Relevant. Okay, yeah. We worked in like the 55 West building at the time, like downtown. Oh, yeah.
We were just talking about it. He's producing a podcast as well in Kalispell.
Yeah. Oh, no way. Yeah. So we had a host out there. So I might go out there actually next week.
Is it the guy from your UFO documentary thing? Yeah, Andy, who hosts that UFO, that show Black Project. Yeah, we'll talk more about that. That was... Awesome. Oh, thank you. Me and my wife watched it last night.
Chapter 4: What is unrestricted warfare and its implications?
Oh, did you make it through the whole thing?
I know it's kind of long. We have like 10 minutes left, but I was like, this is crazy.
Yeah, dude.
We talked about some of the stuff on the pod, but it was way more.
In the last 10 minutes, he just says, oh, we're just kidding, by the way. So you missed it.
Spoiler. Yeah. Suck. No, when we talked to, I don't know if we were like slow rolling in, but when we talked to Gary Nolan, who's like the Stanford neuroscientist, And, you know, Andy's a pretty, you know, Andy's former SEAL Team 6 guy. He's very blunt and I wouldn't say skeptical, very like pragmatic, you know.
And so anytime we bring someone in from like the UFO community, I want to be like careful. They're like credible. I mean, you guys know how it is. Sure. I'm not like disparaging anybody, but you get a lot of like crazy. Yeah. But this guy, I'm like, dude, he's a Stanford neuroscientist.
know and he told this wild story i don't know if you guys want me to pause or if you don't go for it you're good um but he told this wild story of so he he developed like he was on rogan i don't know like a month or two ago but he developed this like brain imagery uh technology that is is a pretty big deal in like the neurology world
anyway these guys show up at his office at stanford and tell him hey man you know they're like in black suits you know kind of typical classic yeah like you hear about the you know kind of men in black stuff but he says you know they came to him and said we have some people that that work for us we were at the dod and they have these brain injuries that we can't identify we'd like you to take a look to see what you can find
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Chapter 5: How does cognitive warfare differ from psychological warfare?
And that's one that I didn't want to do that documentary if we couldn't get him. Because I really felt like he kind of anchored it. So, well, I think the British accent helps too. Credibility. But he was the editor of a publication called Jane's Defense Weekly. which Jane's defense weekly in the defense world is like a really big deal.
You know, it's, it's, it's every kind of, uh, contractor and aviation company references Jane's defense weekly. And he gets access to like Bucky Martin skunk works. Everyone gives them access. And he started like seeing stuff that kind of made him curious about what is kind of being hidden behind the curtains.
But he's also kind of top of the pyramid with having to kind of be the arbiter of what is credible in that in that world, because a lot of people pay a lot of money to get access to things.
the information he produces yeah anyway someone sent him like kind of anonymously these magazine articles i think they're from the 1960s that said like the anti-gravitic age is here and it showed these craft being tested and this was in aviation publications Fast forward a couple of years, that just all goes away. And so he got curious, like, did it just go dark? Yeah.
And so he wrote this really cool book called The Hunt for Zero Point because he just became fascinated. Like, what if there are black programs within the, you know, sort of military industrial complex? Yeah.
that are hiding super powerful technology that could have implications beyond just anti-gravitic aviation technology like the crux of it is like is there a way it has there been something discovered beyond traditional propulsion that can be utilized and and the implication is and you guys you've probably gone down these anti-gravitic rabbit holes or whatever
but it would essentially like the wrinkle in time thing, like pull space time together. So if the craft is here and it wants to get to this destination, instead of using, you know, burning fuel and pushing it really fast, it could somehow pull that space time together and, and seem to almost teleport.
Yeah.
And so he got really curious about this and did, you know, want to kind of trace, like, when did this first start showing up? And that's when he got into, like, the whole, like, Foo Fighters and Orbs thing. Yeah. In World War II. And traced it all the way through, like, you know, he did a deep dive. He went to the site of, like, the Nazi bell.
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Chapter 6: What role do social media algorithms play in shaping perceptions?
at that point and we haven't been able to reach that true yeah nothing close well and that that's sort of what he is he got curious about yeah because if you fast forward and there's a lot of weird stuff in between but like if you fast forward to after the war there's operation paperclip Right. Where the U.S. basically negotiated with like Wernher von Braun and all these like Nazi scientists.
Yeah. And brought them to the U.S. and basically gave them immunity. But they're the ones who are sort of like the fathers of the modern American rocketry. Yeah. You know, system. And so... But what he, and a lot of the people in that documentary hesitate to speculate, you know, because if you speculate and wrong, you can be discredited. It's just like, here's what we know for certain. Yeah.
But you kind of get the sense that he thinks that technology could have made its way over around 1947, 1952.
That's when he started seeing all the UFOs pop up, all the Roswell incidents. Yep.
yeah there was a big one it was the it was an incursion in 1952 where and we talked about this in in psyop the the series um i think it's episode five but there was a deal in 1952 where over the white house and all these military installations and you can look up the press conference on this we play clips from it in the show at the time it was the most watched like government broadcast of all time this is 1952
It was two weekends in a row. These lights are showing up over the White House and military institutions. And so I encourage people, like I said, people can go watch the press conference. It's wild. It's like these. And to everyone talks in like the 1950s, like leave it to beaver, like, man, we're here to say that the White House is going on.
But they're in like their Air Force intelligence uniforms. And this was like a big deal at the time, you know? Um, and that's that when we kind of in the show, we look at parallels between that and like the New Jersey drone incursion from, you know, I guess last fall or whatever. Um, and there's, there's a lot of similarities.
Um, but after that, after those lights started showing up and the military came on and says, look, we don't know what they are, but don't nobody freak out. It was very similar to, I think they said it in like the 1950s. Yeah. Please be right.
You know, but anyway, in the press conference, they had this other guy who was like, with all due respect to the general, I think these are interplanetary craft. And, and so it was a wild time. Yeah. Nuts.
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Chapter 7: What are the historical examples of propaganda and psyops?
And they got very concerned, the Robertson panel, that... if the american people thought that the military or the government was lying to them about this sure it could cause like a total disruption of social institutions and so uh they the outcome of the robertson panel was like whatever these are, we should keep an eye on.
But we can't let this get out of control or everyone's going to freak out. But that's led a lot of people to speculate that what came after that, which was like...
abduction stuff and yeah that's when things started getting weird it wasn't just you know there was this guy named kenneth arnold and he was an avi and if i'm going too far i feel like i'm i don't know you're great you're good we're going to interrupt you at a certain point but this is too good so so this guy kenneth arnold around the same time this is a wild story um and we we kind of dig into it in the show and play some b-roll and stuff from from these interviews but
He's an aviator, and he's in the Pacific Northwest. And he sees crazy craft flying around him. But he's a pretty... This is before the internet when everyone got weird. You listen to interviews with these dudes, and it's like, oh, this is like talking to my grandfather. You know what I mean? They're not... there's no, they're not like BS and around.
They're like, no man, this is, this is, this is out there. And it wasn't some conspiracy. It was like, someone should know about this. So he tells the military that he sees this craft and,
military um you know they do interviews with him but he's not really satisfied with the efforts that they're putting in to investigate it so anyway fast forward a couple weeks later there's a fisherman in the puget sound and he's out there with his son and he sees some craft flying over the puget sound and it starts dumping some sort of like metallic liquid into the puget sound
And he recovers some of it. Um, and you know, he reports it too. Again, this is, this is before people could just be on Reddit and watch AI videos and kind of convince themselves of stuff. And these guys had really no incentive to, to make this up. I mean, every counter incentives, you know? And so, so anyway, he does the same thing.
He's like, I got this material and he's trying to get the military to like investigate cause he's all concerned. Um, Well, these reporters are like, we should call Kenneth Arnold. You know, he saw something. Let's get him involved because he's sort of become this like advocate for transparency or at least investigation. Sure. So they bring him up and it's I think it's in Seattle.
And at this point, military Air Force intelligence, the Air Force had just been incorporated. So it just became a branch of the military like a couple of weeks before. Wow.
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Chapter 8: How can individuals discern truth in a world of misinformation?
So around this time, the Robertson panel also had this little footnote. They looked in American media of how many stories there were about UFOs. And there were like thousands. Right. They did the same thing because this is, you know, kind of the early stages of the Cold War at this stage. And the Soviets were the major concern. They didn't find one instance of one media story talking about UFOs.
So our media is like littered with it. Right. And our primary adversary at the time, this isn't even something that their people, you know, or even...
you know aware of yeah according to the media so so when this the other kind of interesting anecdote is if you fast forward a little ufo culture starts kind of taking off in the us yeah right and at this point a lot of people whether it's like someone like a nick cook who you know i think i think he's he speculates about what the origins of this are but
Definitely open to the idea that it could be conventional terrestrial exotic breakthroughs and integrative technology. But, you know, people start thinking about aliens a lot around this time. So the other story that one of the other kind of anecdotes that we talk about is this happened. So if you fast forward a little, this like 1980 at this stage.
And there's a guy named Paul Benowitz, and he lives right outside of Kirkland Air Force Base in New Mexico. And he's he's a veteran. He's a Coast Guard veteran. But again, like a real traditional, you know, not not some kind of I don't want to say crazy. I don't want to be dismissed. But you get it like this is he ran an electronics company like he was a pretty successful.
He had contracts with the government to sell like radio equipment. Really smart guy, like an electronics engineer. Yeah. And he starts seeing weird lights flying around his house. And he has, like I said, he's like an electronics guy. So he starts filming it. And he's like, man, what is this? But again, he's a patriot, right? He's a veteran. And so he takes it to Air Force officials, the footage.
Yeah. And he's like, guys. You can trust them. Yeah. Yeah.
did not work out well for paul but so he so long story short well i guess i can tell long story long he he ends up um they're like oh man this is this is this is you know we should be concerned about this they ended up assigning like a uh an air force intelligence officer named uh richard doughty who's actually still around okay yeah i remember some of your documentary
yeah it's crazy so he's he they he's kind of befriends him and be like hey we got to get to the bottom of this you got to help the air force figure this out you know film whatever you can well what paul bennewitz didn't know is that what he had filmed was experimental aircraft likely early drone technology that was flying around kirkland at the time
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