Jesse Carey

Sure.

But I do think, I think there's a level of discernment, especially as like Christians where, you know,

And there's been a lot of weird, like, sort of supernatural belief systems that have evolved in, like, I would say the last 10 years when it comes to, like, kind of paranormal-y stuff that I feel like is in direct opposition to some core Christian theological tenets.

And it doesn't have to either be, well, you know, what we believe is wrong and look at all this weird stuff and aliens and orbs and, you know, or, you know, this is all some weird supernatural deception.

Maybe all that's true.

But there's also evidence that other stuff is going on that is conventionally explainable.

you know, that we should be concerned about, but it might not offer the sort of like ontological threat that, that the other, it's just like, oh man, that's scary that they were able to figure that out.

Yeah.

And, but there, but it's also like,

You know, it's a double-bladed thing, right?

So there are certainly adversarial forces who are incentivized to create division and fear, right?

And if you look at, like I said, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, if you're afraid of something, like if you're legit freaked out with something, like you feel like you're under threat, it clouds your judgment on everything.

right so so there are adversaries that are absolutely incentivized for national security for you know military purposes to keep population in fear but there are also commercial incentives where like i said we all work in the content business you know like we know how it works if it bleeds it leads you know like we're all consumers you're going to stop scrolling no you might not want to watch like the gas station fight video or whatever but you're like oh you know

like you're hardwired you know for a lot of different reasons to for that kind of thing to capture your attention you know yeah but i also think your point about reading the book like i think it's very important to be aware of global and social issues and injustices and things like that you got to be especially in the democracy you have to have an informed citizenry in order to kind of make good decisions

But at the same time, it's easy to lose context of the scale of those issues if you're only observing the world through a screen.

Like this morning when you picked me up from the hotel, I walked around that morning, went to a coffee shop or whatever.

Most people right now, and I think it applies to most people on the planet, like are just going about a normal day, having normal interactions.

And most of those interactions are probably pretty good with other humans.

You know what I mean?

Like they're at least not negative, like checking out of the hotel.