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Jesse Liu

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I don't think that it's a dead end for us, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Like, I don't think that they are not willing to change their terms. And I think unlikely they're going to put terms like, it has to be a human. It cannot be. There's a lot of automation tools out there already, right? So, like, there's no turning back.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Like, I don't think that they are not willing to change their terms. And I think unlikely they're going to put terms like, it has to be a human. It cannot be. There's a lot of automation tools out there already, right? So, like, there's no turning back.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Like, I don't think that they are not willing to change their terms. And I think unlikely they're going to put terms like, it has to be a human. It cannot be. There's a lot of automation tools out there already, right? So, like, there's no turning back.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I think what they would like to work with any companies, including us, is that when they see a popular demand from this new kind of agent technology, they want to charge for it. We ask our user and us to pay for them. And that's a business deal. That's more like a money terms. That's what I can see. But yeah, for now, we're not breaking any of their terms and agreements, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I think what they would like to work with any companies, including us, is that when they see a popular demand from this new kind of agent technology, they want to charge for it. We ask our user and us to pay for them. And that's a business deal. That's more like a money terms. That's what I can see. But yeah, for now, we're not breaking any of their terms and agreements, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I think what they would like to work with any companies, including us, is that when they see a popular demand from this new kind of agent technology, they want to charge for it. We ask our user and us to pay for them. And that's a business deal. That's more like a money terms. That's what I can see. But yeah, for now, we're not breaking any of their terms and agreements, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

And if they change the terms and agreements tomorrow, we'll take a look and we'll see how we adapt. But the agent is out there yet already. There's a lot of agents running already. So I think there's no turning back. And it's very unlikely they say, hey, we're going to stop agents using our services. That's not a... That's not going to happen.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

And if they change the terms and agreements tomorrow, we'll take a look and we'll see how we adapt. But the agent is out there yet already. There's a lot of agents running already. So I think there's no turning back. And it's very unlikely they say, hey, we're going to stop agents using our services. That's not a... That's not going to happen.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

And if they change the terms and agreements tomorrow, we'll take a look and we'll see how we adapt. But the agent is out there yet already. There's a lot of agents running already. So I think there's no turning back. And it's very unlikely they say, hey, we're going to stop agents using our services. That's not a... That's not going to happen.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I might have a different opinion here. Okay. I think... Foundation models like OpenAI, you know, obviously they're raising for a crazy amount of money. I think we take benefit from what they've been worked on, right? Because their primary services is selling their models as APIs, which saves a lot of money. We don't want to recreate a wheel retraining like an OOM.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I might have a different opinion here. Okay. I think... Foundation models like OpenAI, you know, obviously they're raising for a crazy amount of money. I think we take benefit from what they've been worked on, right? Because their primary services is selling their models as APIs, which saves a lot of money. We don't want to recreate a wheel retraining like an OOM.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I might have a different opinion here. Okay. I think... Foundation models like OpenAI, you know, obviously they're raising for a crazy amount of money. I think we take benefit from what they've been worked on, right? Because their primary services is selling their models as APIs, which saves a lot of money. We don't want to recreate a wheel retraining like an OOM.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

It might not as scary as a lot of people might think. I think there's a huge gap between converting the latest technology into a piece of product versus pushing for a more advanced technology. Obviously, I'm very proposed to do high-end research. We want to have a research house here set up at the same scale as OpenAI and DeepMind, even though they're already far, far behind.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

It might not as scary as a lot of people might think. I think there's a huge gap between converting the latest technology into a piece of product versus pushing for a more advanced technology. Obviously, I'm very proposed to do high-end research. We want to have a research house here set up at the same scale as OpenAI and DeepMind, even though they're already far, far behind.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

It might not as scary as a lot of people might think. I think there's a huge gap between converting the latest technology into a piece of product versus pushing for a more advanced technology. Obviously, I'm very proposed to do high-end research. We want to have a research house here set up at the same scale as OpenAI and DeepMind, even though they're already far, far behind.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

But I think what we're trying to do right now at this current scale Because here's the money we have, right? We don't have like $1 billion. We don't have like $2 billion. We have this very limited budget. Is that how can we convert the latest technology and research and build to a product that we can ship early and collect feedbacks and learn from it?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

But I think what we're trying to do right now at this current scale Because here's the money we have, right? We don't have like $1 billion. We don't have like $2 billion. We have this very limited budget. Is that how can we convert the latest technology and research and build to a product that we can ship early and collect feedbacks and learn from it?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

But I think what we're trying to do right now at this current scale Because here's the money we have, right? We don't have like $1 billion. We don't have like $2 billion. We have this very limited budget. Is that how can we convert the latest technology and research and build to a product that we can ship early and collect feedbacks and learn from it?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

So a lot of people have different definition of AGI. I don't really talk about this term because I think so many people have so many different definitions for it. But I do think that AI understand what you say and can help you do things. And maybe here we're talking about virtually help you click buttons and stuff. There are a lot of companies doing human Android.