Jesse Michels

Like, I do feel like the world has...

has gotten weirder since then.

I think that's the safe thing to say.

Yes.

Yeah, the epistemics are catching up to the reality.

Right.

But that for me was like this big awakening time.

And I think for a lot of people, it was a forcing function of, it was kind of this like grow or die moment of like, get your shit together and like do what you're supposed to do in life or like waste away and, you know, kind of repress it forever.

Yeah.

and that experience felt it felt like deeply meaningful along those lines but and especially as far as like me moving from a more kind of like hard charging finance trying to make money trying to like you know being in this like sharp elbowed world of like i need to invest in the next billion dollar thing and you know into like what's going on in reality and like you know going on this kind of gnostic quest

And it definitely felt like it redirected me somehow.

And yeah, I'd be like lying if I were to say it didn't.

And then it's, it also feels like this, it's such a, you know, especially if you don't have, and I didn't like, it wasn't really long enough for me to record it.

I also remember at the time I didn't have a show and like,

I remember thinking in my head, like, this is sacred.

And like, and I know it sounds ridiculous for somebody that now has a show, you know, and it's fair to, you know, sort of critique, you know, in retrospect, I wish I had.

But yeah, it felt like deep, deeply kind of meaningful.

But then the meaning also feels like hard to unpack where, you know, meaningful in that, like, you know, I'm, I know, I think I know there's a there there because I've experienced something firsthand, or at least it's part of my path.

But as to what it is, like, you know, it's not like I was given this download of semantic information alongside it.

Yeah.