Jesse Michels

Yeah, exactly.

And it also, Silver Lake.

So like, you know, people don't know LA, like East LA, where like,

you know, typical, like, bohemian screenwriters, you know, working in, like, Hollywood Live or whatever, like, not necessarily, like, your Sedona or even Topanga or, like, what you would think of as, like, some portal or whatever for this sort of stuff.

And... But it is interesting that, you know, I had gone surfing with my buddy that day, and this friend of mine is, like, one of the most materialist reductionists.

Like, he subscribes to David Hume and, like, natural philosophy.

He's a Noam Chomsky fan who...

You know, Noam Chomsky, I think, wrote a lot about angels.

And so I think he's like sort of compartmentalized from aspects of himself, as a lot of people might be, you know.

But he's basically a materialist reductionist.

Like the guy is like doesn't believe, you know, in magic in the world.

And so this is my, you know, he also invests with me and like, you know, kind of a high functioning guy and like not...

at all interested in like woo woo stuff.

And we went surfing.

Uh, we were at his, his mom's house, uh, in, uh, uh, Orange County near like trestles.

So like great surf spot.

And he's a really good surfer.

And we went back to his place in Silver Lake and I was, I had just gotten into holotropic breathwork and it was just like amazing, uh,

modality for me.

I love it.