Jesse Michels

Yeah.

Yeah.

On that patent, that NASA patent, I believe Larry Smalley has his name there.

He's at University of Alabama Huntsville.

He was the physics chair.

And under him was a woman named Ning Li.

And she was studying, I think, like superconductor-based kind of weight reduction via kind of anti-gravity.

I think she called it gravitons, gravity particles, would cause this sort of effect.

And, you know, obviously, you know, groundbreaking sort of controversial claim.

And she speaks about this at some sort of MITRE Corporation event.

And then she kind of, you know, goes dark, I think, gets a security clearance.

But her physics, she leaves and starts a company.

I think it's called Anti-Gravity LLC or something.

And then her physics chair, Larry Smalley, goes and joins her.

which I think lends credence to the actual findings, right?

If your physics chair leaves, you know academia.

It's kind of, okay, everybody's got to be high conviction at that point.

And then his name shows up on a patent around a barrel shaped asymmetric capacitor, which is town.

And it's talking about Townsend Brown.

And I'm like, OK, what's going on?