Jesse Michels

I find it fascinating.

Yeah.

But I mean, one question I have is you have all these names pop up.

Right.

And you have, you know, how put off is obviously like seems so at the center of so much UFO physics.

Yeah.

Um, but a lot of, a lot of the names that pop up in, in UFO science, quote unquote, uh, it's almost like there's some sort of like substructure of a lot of these like mega structure.

So like NASA, I don't like, it almost seems like what you're saying is there is no official knowledge of UFOs, but it's like these people within NASA that are extremely interested in this stuff, uh,

How do you square that with like you watch the Age of Disclosure and it's like we have a legacy program, which that implies some sort of like, you know, it's like super well coordinated.

So like what I always try to ask that I try to press on people here.

Is it like.

Is there a program or is it like this hermetic substructure where people come together via synchronicities?

Well, Marcel claimed that the real UFO debris was off to the side, right outside of the frame of that photo.

Did he say that?

I don't remember that.

He also said he brought it home and that his son played with it.

Yeah.

So I think he would know the difference.

I love it.

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