Jesse Michels

Um, and he goes on to discuss the fact that they're making these sort of crazy right angle turns.

They're flying at, you know, uh, mocks and speeds that like, you know, human aircraft simply can't fly.

Uh, and then he goes on to say at the very end, which I think is really interesting in the postscript, he says, you know, we actually have the means to start to build things like these, but if we ever did have such a program, um,

If this were to happen, it would have to exist pretty much outside of the civilian bureaucracy of government.

And so then you have this idea that UFO crash retrieval programs or reverse engineering programs get kind of put under the secrecy of atomic energy secrecy.

You have the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, and in it you have a special definition of nuclear material secrecy.

And it's basically anything emitting alpha, beta, gamma radiation that's found by any contractor, anybody, is immediately born secret.

It's this new clause called restricted data.

So it's not like something's reviewed and then classified.

It is just classified if it's at all radiological.

So basically from 1947 to 1952, you have this kind of earnest interest a la the twining memo, which I just mentioned, for the American government where they're like, we think there's something here.

We don't know what to make of it.

There's a Project Sign, Project Grudge.

There's another project called Project Twinkle, which is this meteor expert from University of New Mexico.

His name is Lincoln LaPaz.

And he basically comes to the conclusion that you have these green fireballs popping up after atomic detonations and actually chasing the plumes of the detonations.

And this is occurring all over.

And he says, I don't know what to make of this, but they seem to be intelligently moving, you know, sort of intelligently propulsed.

And this is not like a dogmatic UFO guy.

Then in 1952, July 19th and July 27th, so two weekends,