Jesse Michels

Yeah, I mean, I think...

That's probably likely.

Like, we're probably seeing... I mean, a la the Hoffman stuff, not to quote him too much, but it's like, we're probably... Like, we are probably not seeing reality itself.

We're probably seeing kind of an adaptive, low-level version of reality.

And, like, you can go back to Plato, where, like, you're seeing shadow play.

You're seeing simulacra of something sort of higher going on.

And so...

I think, you know, exploring this stuff changes you as well.

And that's maybe the dirty little secret because you always in science want to separate the observer from the observed.

I think that might collapse as a paradigm.

And that's why I see this whole thing as a paradigm shift, kind of epistemologically, not just a scientific paradigm shift.

Because...

In science, you're supposed to be this like perfectly, this perfect measurement sensor.

Like you're almost supposed to remove the human.

And it's only supposed to be like these, you know, like an electron microscope that detected the thing or radar or whatever.

And you can't trust your eyes as a human.

And I think a lot of this stuff involves actually systematically exploring the human psyche and just human behavior.

often one of one phenomenological experience and not discarding that.

And I think a new scientific model will have to incorporate that, a la Rudolf Steiner, who talks about spiritual science, where inner phenomena are just as valid as outer phenomena.

And I think the interesting thing about studying a lot of the UFO stuff is you're really out of your depth no matter what.