Jesse Michels

And he, he does this whole deep dive on Travis Walton.

And

does a long interview with him.

And he's just one of these guys who's like consistent in his story since that time.

He also went on Rogan and, you know, just continuously sort of tells the same story.

And it's one of these archetypal stories where the person is sort of operated on, you know, he's on this sort of, you know, operating table.

And it's really strange.

It's almost as if

Often gametes are collected as well.

So like they're like sperm taken or eggs taken.

It's almost as if, you know, they're kind of anthropologists or they're zoologists or whatever.

And they want like tissue samples or genetic samples.

And they want to see what's going on, you know, with us.

Another case that I love is in 1977 at Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota.

So this is another nuclear case.

There's a guy named Mario Woods.

And he is a missile security officer.

And he's at this launch station.

November five is what it's called.

And I think he's hanging out playing ping pong like a lot of these nuclear bases, like not a lot's going on for like most of the time, like