Jesse Michels

Like, this is actually weird.

Like, these guys are, like, you know, passing the tests and they seem to be really consistent in their stories.

Travis is then found.

I want to say...

five days later but he has like a full-grown beard so it's like as if like more missing time had occurred and he had been basically on this craft with an operating table with both grays and actually nordics so you have like you know two different kind of uh alien archetypes involved in his abduction and uh yeah he comes back down and he basically says that they did like surgery on him

And to this day, it's one of the—it's, you know, Fire in the Sky is this famous sort of, you know, documentary that's been done about him.

My friend Chris Ramsey, who's a great—he actually had the biggest magic channel on YouTube before going into UFO stuff.

It's a good crossover there.

It's a great crossover because he actually shows how a lot of the magic's done, and he debunks a lot of magic.

So a lot of magicians kind of hate on him because they're like, don't show the special sauce or whatever.

And he's extremely good when it comes to debunking stagecraft.

And in fact, he took me to a magic conference with some of his top magician friends, like the guy that has worked with David Blaine for 20 years.

These guys are...

like to me, they're like literal magicians.

And he would consistently be like, no, this is, you know, he wouldn't show me the method.

Cause that's like not how you're not supposed to do that in magic, but he'd basically be like, there's a method here.

There's a method there.

There's a, you know, and like he would do that a little too much on his channel.

And so he'd get in trouble on that, but he was always kind of a UFO freak.

And so that got him into, um, uh, starting area 52, which is this channel.