Jesse Michels

And again, it's one of these stories where you could change a detail.

The final Jenga block would be, okay, we have our own anti-gravity crafts versus, and you're doing tech protection by calling it alien.

Like, okay, I'm open to that.

And I'm very deep on like anti-gravity stuff too, which I view as a hedge because one of them's got to be right, you know?

And so, again, it's one of those things where like, I'm open to the other thing being right, but he seems to continually be corroborated over time as people sort of, you know, question him.

I have a friend who's making a documentary on him called Project Gravitar.

And I think he's uncovered some pretty good evidence that S4, which is the specific area on Area 51 that really nobody knew about before Bob Lazar exists and that it's this underground facility there.

So, yeah, I think you have a few stories and then you have David Grush, who I think is pretty beyond reproach.

And then the thing you mentioned, Gary Nolan, he's a Stanford microbiologist.

You know, he's a really, you know, well-acclaimed kind of professor tenured there.

And he works with Jacques Vallet, who I've mentioned earlier, who's this French godfather of ufology.

He's actually depicted by Francois Truffaut, or he's played by Francois Truffaut in Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

And he's this very interesting kind of almost mystical figure in UFO research.

And he gets, he publishes his address online.

So when people, you know, see crashes, they'll literally send the material to him.

he'll send that material to Gary Nolan to do material analysis and mass spectrometry on them.

And Gary Nolan does mass spectrometry on one of these crashes, which I believe crashed over the beach in Ubatuba in Brazil.

And he goes, these contain isotope ratios that don't naturally exist on Earth.

They're not man-made.

I don't know what the hell.