Jesse Michels

Or they could be man-made, but you would need centrifuge access and a lot of money to do that.

I think the crash occurred in the 50s or 60s.

So you need a crazy scientific level of access.

And then the question is, why?

Like what do you, you're like exploding a thing that you centrifuged the like isotope ratios on above the beach in Brazil.

It doesn't make sense.

So yeah, but then it's always one of those things where it's like, you know, until people see like a full scale craft, I think they'll be skeptical and they have the right to be skeptical.

And I think the thing they should be asking for is like, let's collapse it.

You have, you know, like a wave function and quantum mechanics, like let's, let's, let's collapse the wave function.

You know, we have this probability distribution of the UFO thing.

Like if you're the current administration, look into David Grush's documents.

Yes.

So I think some of the most interesting and fruitful places to look for the next paradigm of science are...

going down the tree trunk of science and finding another branch.

And so, like, look to see where we went wrong.

And I think where we went wrong, in my personal opinion, is string theory and quantum gravity.

And it's this idea that we can't... So if you have two imperfect maps in the form of general relativity and quantum field theory, the idea that those are not...

abstractions and heuristics on reality and that their reality onto themselves, and we can force fit those maps, which are probably jagged and not one-to-one correlations with actual reality, is to me the epitome of human hubris.

And there's a great, actually, science writer and physicist, and she has a great YouTube channel, and her name's Sabina Hossenfelder.

And she wrote a great book called Lost in Math, and it's about how physics today is...