Jesse Michels

lost in these abstractions where we're talking about ridiculous numbers of dimensions, but then you can't do anything with it.

You can't do anything with string theory.

And so I think the two...

again, if you go down the tree trunk, find different branches, I think the two branches which are fruitful and interesting would be one, the creation of quantum mechanics and parapsychology and the idea that the mind might have something to do with wave function collapse, which all of the godfathers of quantum mechanics flirted with.

All of them did.

And so you can talk to like the modern kind of priestly citadel of quantum mechanics people like Sean Carroll,

And they'll say that's ridiculous, but it's literally an unfalsifiable claim on both sides.

It's a hypothesis that your mind doesn't, you know, collapse the wave function, and it's a hypothesis that it does.

And, you know, the idea that superposition of what you're measuring doesn't exist in the detector, and then your mind is collapsing that, it's impossible to prove either way.

So that's really interesting.

And then what you're getting at is, I think, fascinating, which is,

So if you look at what created string theory, which is basically the need for us to quantize gravity, so we can reconcile the strong force, the weak force, and electromagnetism on a quantum scale.

We cannot reconcile gravity.

So you have macroscopic reality, which is like me, you, space-time, celestial bodies.

And that is general relativity, which is essentially a theory of gravity.

And then you have quantum mechanics.

And the two just don't line up.

And what we've been trying to do since 1957, you have University of North Carolina Chapel Hill Institute of Field Physics basically convening all of the world's top physicists.

And it was...

You know, Richard Feynman, John Wheeler, Peter Bergman, Freeman Dyson, like guys who in conventional physics, you would say are like, you know, the godfathers of like what we are swimming in today academically.