Jesse Michels

And she's like, oh, my God, like if you one to one replace angel with alien or demon with alien, you know, or, you know, in certain cases, Jesus or angels with with aliens.

It seems very similar.

The Ecstasy of St.

Teresa is another example, like over and over and over again.

And so American Cosmic is her book, which is it's an amazing book because.

You see the first half of her book being like the UFO.

She's writing about it in this kind of meta sociological, like as a professor would way where she's like, this is kind of a modern psychosocial phenomena.

And it's kind of crafted in like a Disney studio or whatever.

And she even talks about Betty and Barney Hill being abducted in 1961.

She talks about how the CBS show Outer Limits.

depicts aliens with eyes being wrapped around their head just like they are seeing.

And so she's like basically saying maybe our perceptions are being shaded by media.

And so I'm reading this book and I'm like, this is very well-reasoned.

You know, this is like this woman, she's going to debunk, she's going to explain this whole thing.

And then you see her fall into this belief system where she's like, oh my God, what I've been looking at for the, you know, not only Catholic stuff, but the Hebrew Merkabah tradition, you know, the Ezekiel, Ezekiel's chariots and that sort of thing.

A lot of this stuff just comports with modern UFO lore.

And maybe religion is this ongoing process today.

And it's,

think for a lot of people that's somehow subversive of religion like don't smear religion with your you know alien stories sort of thing i would say it's reinforcing of religion and i wouldn't call the current thing alien i would just call the current thing an empirical observable like you can actually re-merge science and the spirit which bifurcated around the enlightenment

where you had Newton, who was like an alchemist, and then you end up with like David Hume, who's like this natural philosopher, and now you have Richard Dawkins, who's like, it's like ardent, shrill atheist.