Jesse Michels

I think you could re-merge those things if you have this empirical observable phenomena where you're like, these are happening at nuclear sites,

And they comport with things happening in the Bible.

Like, oh my God, that's crazy.

So I love her work on that.

And she's really an heir to Jacques Vallée who writes about this whole thing as like, he actually was writing originally around like kind of, um,

new psychological thought was kind of this burgeoning field where you had people like Zimbardo and you had these behavioral psychologists, guys like B.F.

Skinner and intermittent reinforcement.

And so you get this idea of like,

If you give, you know, a rat like an irregular drip of a thing, they're more likely to become like rabidly chasing the drip than they are if it's like this irregular thing.

And that's how Jacques Vallée discusses the phenomena.

You're like, you're always chasing this thing that you never quite grasp.

And it's almost like this control system, which is using these intermittent reinforcement techniques and synchronicities, which we now know synchronicities do create dopamine, which leads you through life in this specific way that maybe you were supposed to lead or whatever.

And so, again, it brings this whole new cut on the UFO story, which I do think becomes...

a little more personable and actionable than like, you know, crafts that, you know, have anti-gravity or whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a great question.

I mean, the outer limits thing is interesting.

And sometimes I wonder, I mean, if this is all shadow play, if you take the Don Hoffman thing at face value, which I'm not saying that's necessarily true, but say it is.

And so you have some sort of higher platonic reality and like a lower reality.

in that kind of worldview, you'd have like guardians, which are, you're seeing this sort of, you know, the shadows on the wall.