Jesse Michels

You're seeing the simulacra of the objects.

You're not seeing the objects themselves.

And then you get into this thing where,

you have these memes in your head.

And how do you gain a meme library?

How does that occur?

And are those meme libraries just based on organic things that you're seeing in reality through life?

Or are they shaded by media itself?

And

Clearly, it's somewhat shaded by media.

Again, I think if you get into the extreme extrapolation of this would be that we are living in some low-level simulation, and there is a Guardian class that is literally managing the abduction cases themselves as far as our low-level perception or recollection of what occurs.

And you have to entertain that.

I don't know.

That's really nutty territory.

As far as the history of the Greys...

you know, the kind of, uh, uh, really premier, you know, prime example of an abduction experience is the, the Betty and Barney Hill.

There is September of 1961.

They were in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, and they were on their way, actually a road trip to, um, uh, Niagara Falls.

And, uh, they, they were an interracial couple, you know, normal, cool people.

And, uh, they were, I think at a diner and, uh, they were, they were driving away from the diner and, um,