Jesse Michels

And then there are definitely modern instantiations.

So it's really hard to kind of pinpoint, but

Yeah.

Where they were seated and are they being reinforced by culture?

Clearly they're being reinforced by culture, but is there some objective reality to them too?

Probably, you know?

Yeah.

I think it's like a lot of reality itself where it's the interplay between kind of preconceived notions and thoughts and then the thing itself.

There's something – like there's some middle path between extreme materialist reductionism and we are a happy accident.

You, Andre, are just a bunch of atoms that bounced off of one another in a way that emerged into you.

Like that's crazy to me.

But then the other side is like everything is like –

drenched in meaning and there's some middle path and i don't quite know what the answer is but i was hoping you could enlighten us well no i mean it's one of one of your other guests who is far superior than i is like a spiritual thinker will be able to do that

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh, such a great question.

So I think you just did an amazing interview with Kai Dickens.

We both did interviews with her in the telepathy tapes.

You have this phenomena of...

these nonverbal, often autistic children who are often disembodied.