Jesse Michels

And so it's this interesting thing where because they're disembodied, if you think of the body as only adaptive, it's only gonna give you more information by being in it than they're at this crazy disadvantage.

But if you think of the body as actually a prism or a compression function on a default state of greater omniscience, then you take your hands out of the machine, you take your head out of the virtual reality headset, and you know more.

And with the leaving of one sense, you gain another.

And Aldous Huxley, who talks about transmission theory of consciousness, a la William James,

himself actually went blind at the end of his life and talks about this in this really, you know, beautiful kind of articulate way.

If you look at ancient mystery rituals, like the Eleusinian mystery rituals, you know, so you have Socrates, if he existed, Plato, you know, Aristotle, even Marcus Aurelius going to Eleusis, this place northwest of Athens, right?

to essentially drink this Kekeon drink and experience this temporary death of the physical body, you would think that that wouldn't be valuable at all in the world where the body is the only way to gain productive information.

But what they would always say is they experience, you use the word noetic, they experience noesis, which is the Greek primordial knowledge of the soul.

And so there's this idea where if you kill the...

Like, if the body is a compression function on a default state of greater omniscience, if you temporarily suspend the senses and actually kill the body temporarily, are you given greater knowledge and greater access?

And whether you're studying near-death experiences or, you know...

A lot of, you know, people in like the early like, you know, Stargate program, psychic spy program and like, you know, which is the CIA studied psychic spies, which is pretty crazy, or just anecdotal information from Monroe or from, you know, the telepathy tapes.

the idea of being disembodied can actually be an advantage.

And that really is a Platonic model of epistemology because the senses in Plato's dialogues are all, they're misleading.

You know, like this world is elusive, but it's, or it's alluring rather, but it's really leading you, you know, towards this false thing that you're seeing the shadow play and actually going towards the light, which is true knowledge is, you know, is how you become sort of enlightened.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And it's, you can, a lot of, I'm sure the people you have on your show are like, like, you know, like, like roomie, you know, through the wound comes the light.

Well, what is the wound?

It's like a wound on a physical, your physical body.