Jesse Michels

Do you lend credence to any of those sorts of stories?

The idea that there's sort of an elite military scientific.

But yeah.

Well, it's like if the UFO issue is real and understood at the highest levels of government, of course, they would have some sort of elite body.

Yeah.

Do you think, you know, we've mentioned nuclear connection a bunch in this conversation.

Do you think that not only UFOs are just showing up around nuclear sites, but that the secrecy involved in the Atomic Energy Commission and the Department of Energy overlays UFO secrecy and that the program is somehow bound up in, you know, atomic stuff?

Whoa.

Yeah.

Yes.

That's definitely right.

There's something about nuclear that they're really concerned with or interested in.

There's I think in 1945, there was a pilot named Bud Clem.

And he's flying over Hanford plutonium base.

And it was like, yeah, before the thing was fully up.

And he's seeing UFOs.

And Robert Hastings has an interview with him.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's so fascinating.

That connection is, and there are all these theories one can have.