Jesse Michels

One is that they're sort of doing some sort of intelligence recon or something.

And then another is that they're just protecting their resources.

Somehow the earth maintaining itself in its current form is important, or maybe we're a resource, humans are a resource to them.

And so they need to intervene and ensure, you know, things don't, we don't blow ourselves up or something.

Yeah.

But it's really hard to say.

I mean, I know like the Age of Disclosure, Lou Elizondo, you know, kind of crew, like they talk about it as far as like they're monitoring our ability to achieve energy breakthroughs.

So that would be the tip of the spear of energy breakthroughs.

Like high energy physics occurs in the national labs and your, you know, atomic sites and that sort of thing.

And, you know, we could break out of our cage or something if we achieve some unlock.

Right.

There are various theories.

Yeah.

No, that feels pretty, pretty apt to me.

I want to talk because you're in a I think very unique vantage point as somebody who is at the intersection of kind of credible physics and then kind of very speculative UFO interest.

There are a couple of interesting objects of interest of late that kind of hit that intersection.

The first I want to talk about is actually this discovery of Beatrice Villareal at Stockholm University, who I had the pleasure of interviewing her.

And she was looking at the Palomar Observatory, which was the most in-use observatory in the mid-century in the US.

It's in San Diego.

And she found...