Jesse Michels

Yeah.

But it's really hard to say.

I mean, I know like the Age of Disclosure, Lou Elizondo, you know, kind of crew, like they talk about it as far as like they're monitoring our ability to achieve energy breakthroughs.

So that would be the tip of the spear of energy breakthroughs.

Like high energy physics occurs in the national labs and your, you know, atomic sites and that sort of thing.

And, you know, we could break out of our cage or something if we achieve some unlock.

Right.

There are various theories.

Yeah.

No, that feels pretty, pretty apt to me.

I want to talk because you're in a I think very unique vantage point as somebody who is at the intersection of kind of credible physics and then kind of very speculative UFO interest.

There are a couple of interesting objects of interest of late that kind of hit that intersection.

The first I want to talk about is actually this discovery of Beatrice Villareal at Stockholm University, who I had the pleasure of interviewing her.

And she was looking at the Palomar Observatory, which was the most in-use observatory in the mid-century in the US.

It's in San Diego.

And she found...

Over 100,000 in an eight year period, what appeared to be UFOs, mirror like objects, little transients, light flashes.

And they seem to actually be correlated with nuclear sites, too.

There's like a follow up study that they're 68 percent more likely to show up a day before or after a nuclear detonation.

So this is just fascinating study.