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Kevin Knuth, this is an absolute honor and it's been a long time coming.

You're a physicist at the University of Albany.

And to me, you are one of the few people who speaks about UFOs in a really concrete way.

hard-headed way.

I think you're one of the few people I know who are studying how these crafts actually fly, how to detect them.

And so I'm really excited to have you.

Thank you.

Oh, no, it's an absolute honor.

And you have a NASA background as well.

I want to know how you got into UFOs to begin with, because a lot of people with your sort of credentials and background think UFOs are a joke.

It's wild.

Yeah.

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