Jesse Michels

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Now back to the show.

Kevin Knuth, this is an absolute honor and it's been a long time coming.

You're a physicist at the University of Albany.

And to me, you are one of the few people who speaks about UFOs in a really concrete way.

hard-headed way.

I think you're one of the few people I know who are studying how these crafts actually fly, how to detect them.

And so I'm really excited to have you.

Thank you.

Oh, no, it's an absolute honor.

And you have a NASA background as well.

I want to know how you got into UFOs to begin with, because a lot of people with your sort of credentials and background think UFOs are a joke.

It's wild.

Yeah.

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And the nuclear link, I could see that being the perfect gateway for rigorous scientists like yourself, because I think science in the conventional sense has to be repeatable.

You know, every time you drop this pen, it needs to fall in sort of the same way for it to be science.

And so I think the nuclear link is a version of that with UFOs, where UFOs seem to show up across nuclear bases, not only in the U.S., but all over the world.

We were talking before the show.