Jesse Michels

Yeah.

And so in 1966, there is a review by this guy named Edward Condon about, you know, basically what was Blue Book's efforts?

Were they, like, actually worth it?

Did we spend money on anything possibly productive?

He does this with the University of Colorado.

And...

He comes out of the thing saying, like, I think, you know, this was a total waste of time.

Now, what people don't know is we now have letters between him and an Air Force Colonel, Robert Hippler, where Robert Hippler is telling him, we want you, we don't want to pay for Blue Book anymore.

We want you to say that this is a total waste of time.

A lot of the cases that they did review, I think 25 percent are still unresolved.

So like, you know, that's not inconsistent with there being actual UFOs.

And then Condon was actually very close with Oppenheimer.

They studied at Göttingen in Germany together in the 20s.

And he's responsible for writing the McMahon Secrecy Act in 1946, which gets turned into the Atomic Energy Act of 1954.

So he's kind of, he's like this total insider in the Manhattan Project who is arguably responsible for creating modern day UFO secrecy in some ways.

You get that time and time again where a lot of these debunkers who end up stigmatizing the topic for a very long time to come were actually tied in with the early kind of atomic programs in the U.S.

So he's a good example of that.

And from then on, you get this like crazy kind of stigma attached to the UFO topic.

You have a couple, you have a 1974 documentary called UFOs Past, Present, and Future, where the Air Force starts to change its tune and starts to become more open about the topic.

And J. Allen Hynek kind of admits that, you know, maybe there is something real here.