Jesse Michels

Well, this is the thing.

I think in either of those cases or you come up with a million different examples of like public violence, you know, violence that gets amplified across social media.

Again, not making a comment on, you know, you could get into all sorts of, like, deep arguments as to, you know, who's the guy who's like, you know, I can't breathe and he was being choked out, you know, in Brooklyn.

But.

I think if you're Intel and you're viewing the effect of symbolic violence, there's something there's something very powerful about that.

And it's very powerful if you want to sway things on particular issues.

And so I think the public should just be aware and not susceptible to violence.

the sort of, you know, artificial construction of some of these violent cases.

Good luck on that one.

I know.

We're saying all these things and then it's like we're trending in the complete wrong direction as a society as far as our ability to make sense of any of these things.

Like you go on Twitter or TikTok or Instagram and people's brains are being melted by this stuff.

So it almost makes me feel like

So do you ever feel in danger talking about this stuff?

I did a little bit way back, but then nothing happened.

Yeah.

So this is a story of my podcasting career.

I'm like, really?

I can say that?

Okay, cool.