Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Why would the government program American citizens to murder other American citizens? Well, that's the question. So... You have documented projects called MKUltra and other kind of variations of mind control, creating splits and multiple personalities, couriers and spies, Manchurian candidates assassinate world leaders.
They used whoever they could get their hands on, hypnotizing them, brain electrode implants, electric shock, creating the super spy. This stuff is shocking. The US Army released a list of 120-ish different drugs that had been used for mind control testing. 1,500 people times 120 different drugs. It's a lot of people, right? It's a lot of people.
When you get into the documents, you find out this guy is connected to this guy, this guy is connected to that guy. It's this whole network.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who's the supposed lone gunman, probably wasn't the lone gunman when it comes to assassinating JFK. Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald, so he probably was an MKUltra patient before having shot Lee Harvey Oswald. Who doesn't remember shooting somebody? Sirhan Sirhan, to this day, says that he has no recollection of having shot RFK.
What do you remember about the shooting, if you're willing to talk about that? I was, obviously I was there, but I don't remember the exact moment. I don't remember pulling my gun.
Then you have a guy like McVeigh, who's an MKUltra patient. Manson, who's an MKUltra patient. These people are committing horrific acts.
You think that my mind is like your mind, but it isn't.
This is really creepy. I wonder if the same thing happened with Epstein. The thing is, it's not just some crazy conspiracy theory. It's actually possible. Can I give you my crazy Epstein MKUltra theory? Oh, you'll be in trouble if you don't. Okay.
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Chapter 2: How did Dr. Colin Ross become involved with MKUltra?
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Chapter 3: What are the connections between MKUltra and notable assassinations?
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I brought you a copy, actually.
Thank you. Well, here's my copy. Here's your other copy. Amazing. Well, thanks. I'd love a second, and I'd love to hand as many of these out as possible to as many people as I can, because... Unless it's over a million, I'm good. Okay, perfect. Yeah, just give me an affiliate fee. But truly, this stuff is shocking.
You have documented the kind of medical malpractice of a whole host of psychiatrists who are... Right. Exactly. Yeah. And it talks about dissociating personalities, creating splits and multiple personalities so that you can send couriers and spies, create Manchurian candidates, assassinate world leaders. It is... mind-blowing and it's jarring to say the least.
Well, and the thing is, so I'll give you a background, personal background a little bit. So I grew up in Canada, medical school, psychiatry training, worked in Canada for a while, and then moved here equals Texas in 91 to a, you know, my specialty is multiple personality equals dissociative identity disorder. And so I was in a program there at a hospital up in Plano, and
Two or three months in, one of the patients who had multiple personalities comes up with this little sheath of papers, all paranoid and scared, and hands them to me, and I don't want these, and take these. And I look at them, and I go, hmm, MKUltra, first I've heard of that. That's how I got into it, by this woman handing me this pile of papers. Otherwise, wasn't interested in all about it.
I thought the search for the Manchurian Candidate was some kind of movie or something, but I wasn't really sure.
And it is a movie. It's, I think, 1961, Frank Sinatra. And it discusses the creation of this assassin, essentially, post-Korean War that, you know, Manchuria is this northeastern part of China.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of mind control experiments on society?
And then he says, well, where are you going? What are you doing? Oh, I'm just going to meet with some people. Drops me off at this building that's very nondescript, You can't tell what it is. I walk in there, and I'm a civilian guy. It has nothing to do with the military. And there's a whole bunch of military guys in uniform. One sign says, secure line, DIA only.
Another one is secure line, CIA only. I walk up to the desk. Hi, I'm here. to read some documents. And the guy gives me a look like, oh, here's one of these guys here. Sign in. And the woman comes down after 10 minutes, maybe. Get in the little jammed elevator with a bunch of guys in uniform and a bunch of guys who I don't know who they are. Go up to fifth floor, seventh floor, whatever it was.
Get off. Walk down the corridor. And there's like a submarine door where she has to key code in. And then another door. And then we're in a small office and sign a piece of paper, walk over here through another one of those doors into a room where there's a cart with all the 149 MKUltra projects there. And 15,000 pages of documents, had to read them all, which took a while.
Thank God you did all this because it's a really comprehensive book and it clearly touches kind of close to the metal as far as what actually transpired and what went on. And if you really want to kind of understand what these psychiatrists were doing, how they were communicating with, you know, CIA, this book is great.
So just real quick for the audience, you give a little context as to how you got into this topic. What's your day job?
A psychiatrist.
Okay. And you have no affiliation with MKUltra, I assume. Uh-uh. Okay. No.
Of course people go, oh yeah, that's what he says. I'm just a civilian guy. Okay. So I know lots about all these documented facts. Yeah. And I have this pile of documents, but I don't have any insider knowledge about stuff currently at all. Okay. Which is kind of disappointing in a way, but.
Yeah, well, the trail goes dark in 1975 with the Church Commission where all this malfeasance, you know, in the CIA, not just mind control stuff was investigated and there was this kind of large reform. Let's go back to the very beginning of... cowboy intelligence interventionism in the human body. So I want to talk about, you know... Are you talking China 3000 BC?
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of electromagnetic frequencies in healing?
He gets shot. This is according to the US military. He's under rubble. He gets pulled out. He gets taken back to here and here and ends up at Guantanamo Bay because he's a known terrorist. And I don't know if it's true or not true, but they say that they're interested in him because his father may have communicated with Osama bin Laden.
So we're going to hold a 12-year-old kid who's now 18, 19, 20 for almost a decade to try and get information out of him because we can't get that information out in a couple of weeks. And he's a terrorist. And then he gets released and goes back to Canada and Canada gives him 10 million and place to stay. So such stupid stories and such ridiculous behavior for what purpose?
It's very weird.
So you think there's this ulterior motive of, I don't know if it's just gung ho, as you mentioned, cowboy craziness, or there's some sort of ulterior motive or plan like. What are the odds that a 12-year-old kid knows anything about anything?
Speaking of kind of couriers that are split off from some hermetically sealed, almost encrypted part of themselves that's carrying a message into kind of deep foreign territory, one of the craziest stories from your book is about a woman named Candy Jones.
Right.
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Chapter 6: How does the concept of human energy fields relate to mind control?
What's her deal?
The control of Candy Jones is... is her autobiography, not autobiography. So she was a pinup girl in World War II in the Pacific Theater, came back, was just kind of living a fairly regular life, nothing much going on.
And then there's a guy, I'm not going to remember this name either, but there's a guy who is a military intelligence guy who was living in the same building who kind of interacted with her a bit. And she ended up getting worked on by this psychiatrist, had a new identity that was doing career assignments and who knows exactly what kind of assignments.
And then she wrote a, she and her biographer wrote about that in detail.
Did she, what were the career assignments? Where did she go?
Uh,
philippines i can't remember the whole list of places maybe taiwan i think probably it was over eastern asia yeah um the gifted and talented education program in the united states this often comes up as possibly related to some of these mind control experiments but being done systematically on young people you have
A lot of people now coming out saying they had me drink a pink drink that erased my memory, or I was told to stare at a sine wave and collapse the sine wave, or look at a piece of metal and see how I mentally interacted with the metal. Sometimes being spun around on people's vestibular systems being messed with. I think there's something called the The G-Lock or something like that.
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Chapter 7: What role does electromagnetic medicine play in future healthcare?
I don't know that.
Have you heard anything about the Gifted and Talented Education Program?
A few sort of floating rumors, that's about it.
Okay.
But people have told me, whatever the program was called, that how did they get into it? Well, their dad took them over there because they had dirt on their dad because he was a sex offender and so on. Another route is after-school programs, special school programs, and then the special school program got transferred over to the base. So I've heard those stories.
Do you think any of this stuff, do UFOs ever come up in your research? Do you think any of this relates to UFOs?
I've actually touched on that a few times at risk of being dismissed as a UFO conspiracy nut, of course.
you're in good company yeah uh are you outranked me actually yeah i'm just a low level guy yeah you can you can uh you know look look very sane next to me so so i'm wearing a ridiculous shirt that says believe and alien on uh i'm wide open to aliens like uh
we know that there's like multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple reports of visual sighting from the ground, visual sighting from the pilot, simultaneous radar sighting from the ground, radar sighting from the jet. You know, turning right angles at Mach 3, jumping up 80,000 feet in seconds.
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Chapter 8: How can we measure and utilize electromagnetic signals for health?
It's all documented. These things have been observed over and over and over, which maybe we can get to Roswell in a second here. So there's clearly craft, and it's kind of like Taking the lid off little bit by little bit by little bit, because it was all mockery, mockery, mockery, mockery. But now it's not mockery anymore. Why? We're not talking about those crazy UFOs anymore.
We're talking about UAPs. So that's sort of a sanitizing, take the bad aura off thing. And the military and the government are saying there's UAPs that are not from us. So, okay, so is that cover story for some advanced program of our own? But it's not any technology that's anywhere near the public domain. So there definitely are UAPs flying around.
Do they have biological occupants from other planets? Just based on that information, you can't say for sure. But it's not just a made-up by nutcases thing. It's an officially acknowledged phenomenon by the government. And if it's not, like, it's not the Russians, it's not the Chinese, it's not us. Yeah. We kind of run out of possibilities here.
Well, also, if you think of UFOs as this like sacred tree, like a UFO itself is just a kind of a byproduct. It's this like, you know, it's the tip of the iceberg, which is just this object that's flying in ways that we don't understand.
And then if you think of that as the tip of the spear on like a deeper kind of worldview, metaphysical worldview that is just much more expanded than this kind of materialist reductionist, you know, kind of overly scientific view that we have today.
uh i wonder if government or power structures think about people who are seeking truth and looking systematically into ufos as some some sort of like you know uh threat because it's inherently kind of in a reverent search it's you're looking for you know authority beyond the government or you're looking for again metaphysics that's very kind of expanded and so i do sometimes wonder if there are
There are initiatives in the government to kind of manufacture division and stoke conflict within the UFO community or instigate belief in sort of bizarre ways.
So without having any evidence, I'm sure there are.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure there are too.
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