Jesse Michels

I did a little bit way back, but then nothing happened.

Yeah.

So this is a story of my podcasting career.

I'm like, really?

I can say that?

Okay, cool.

So far.

Don't say that.

Come on.

Have you ever encountered MKUltra being used in the context of spooky science?

So I think of if you had a modern Manhattan project,

So spooky science means... Means classified science or science that, you know, maybe would lead to... It's low barrier to entry and very destructive.

Right, right.

Or... But we're talking actual engineering, not... Confer a tactical advantage, you know, in aerospace or weaponry or anything like that.

Because I think of

We talked about the Manhattan Project for a second.

If you had any sort of modern equivalence of the Manhattan Project and you were working on something really sensitive, you might implant one of the scientists with a chip or tell them to drink a drink or something.

And then you'd have like a shutdown switch if they ever, you know, got lost in foreign territory.

I mean, this is really dark stuff, but have you ever encountered anything like that?

Okay.