Jesse Michels

And I don't even think he's probably familiar with a lot of the NASA cases, you know, because these seem like anecdotal, small sample size, you know, conspiratorial things.

I would argue that the nuclear thing is a ubiquitous global pattern.

That you have to contend with as a scientist.

So you end up with these people who like, again, don't want to like knock him like super smart conventional guy, but like is mired in kind of current astronomical data around UFOs and just won't really look at it.

And it's all relying on, you know, it's all like, well, if the government has something, they should release it or something, but can't look at the open source stuff.

And then on the other side, it's people who are sure that it's extraterrestrial.

They're here.

They're starseeds probably, you

You know, and we have all the, it's like, you're jumping super to conclusions.

You're not just following the evidence.

So it's those two, there's no like middle path of like, this is the evidence.

Yes.

No, totally.

And you have places now, like in third world countries, where it's like these people like Virginia, James Fox just got back from Brazil.

He keeps going back and like...

This whole town, uncorrelated, disparate sources, they all report this cigar-shaped tic-tac-like object crashing and three beings coming out, you know, one of which was captured and taken to a hospital.

And everybody working at the hospital says that they saw the being.

And one neuroscientist who's still alive to this day goes on record, says he's staring the being in the face for four minutes.

And this guy's alive.

And you have this whole town.