Jesse Michels

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think there's some sort of, well, I think unorthodox and independent thinking don't scale with IQ.

And so there are a lot of people that can be shepherded into bad frameworks and not even looking at certain stigmatized topics because ideas are fashion statements and those are bad fashion or whatever.

Right.

Even though they can like do well on an SAT or something.

And so I think that's a really, you know, not well understood thing.

And so you think of this priestly citadel as like infallible when it comes to thinking about these things.

But in fact, they can be shepherded into, you know, in some ways they can be shepherded even more easily because they think they're so smart.

They think they can't be tricked or something.

And it's just I don't know.

I think it's sad because there are all these first principles argument.

So you can you can you can go at, you know, Neil deGrasse Tyson with around, you know, red shifts and blue shifts and, you know, gravitational perturbations that will like, you know, cause issues with general optical photography, you know.

And, you know, it's like he wouldn't have anything to say after that.

He would just say, well, it can't be.

It can't be.

So like there's that's that ends of the conversation with a person like that, you know.

So it's like extremely frustrating.

I'm sure you deal with it because you have to straddle academia and this sort of more crazy world of UFOs.