Jesse Michels

a good kind of path to go down for the skeptic because science has to be repeatable.

And you're talking about a repeatable phenomenon that we were talking earlier before the show.

Not only is this happening at nuclear bases across the United States, and you have literally declassified documents from the late 40s of the Air Force, the Army counter, you know, CIC, the CIA, all discussing this, the FBI, like literally from all these disparate agencies talking about UFOs showing up at these different sites.

you could say, you could come up with some sort of like, you know, okay, the guys working there are being brainwashed.

The documents are being forged.

It's like a US deep state thing, right?

PSYOP, yeah, yeah.

PSYOP, yeah.

And then you realize that there's literally a town in Japan called Lino, or it's called Eno rather, spelled L-I-N-O.

And it is right next to the Fukushima Prefecture,

where they have their civilian nuclear grid, which is famous for this 2011 spill that they had.

And basically, a large percentage of this town is obsessed with UFOs.

And you have this thing called Mount Sengon Mori there, which is this mountain...

where you have all these geomagnetic anomalies, you have all these sightings, you have all these people claiming to see UFOs, in certain cases, beings, and you have a museum dedicated to UFOs up there.

You have a famous 1995 case in Bariloche, Argentina, where a lot of UFOs seem to show up, and that's around their civilian energy grid.

You have similar claims around Chernobyl.

And so when you get into the, like...

Okay, is the monk at the Shinto temple in Japan coordinating with the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base?

It's like, all of a sudden, in science, you have a null hypothesis, which is that our baseline understanding of reality, our current model is real.

And you try to go in to any sort of hypothesis, maintaining the null hypothesis for as long as possible.