Jesse Michels
👤 SpeakerAppearances Over Time
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You know who was head of the UCLA psychiatry department at that time, are you aware?
This guy named Jolly West.
Did you ever interact with him at all?
No, no.
He was like a head honcho in the MKUltra stuff.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
He might have.
Yeah.
I don't know, but definitely a spooky, not great guy.
I think he got in trouble for, like, dosing up an elephant with a ridiculous amount of LSD, and then the elephant died, and he's on record.
There are letters between him and Sidney Gottlieb, and there's a great book called Chaos by a guy named Tom O'Neill who's become a friend of mine, and he basically has this hypothesis that Charles Manson was this MK Ultra patient, and it's really crazy.
I think so as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's this, it's a weird threat.
So there's that stuff.
And then the, do you think, what do you think these, the implants are doing when it comes to the alien?
You think it's just, it's just tagging, it's biometrics.