Jesse Michels

Was it?

It's in the brain.

It's in the brain.

So I know they're there now.

What were you doing on Japanese TV?

Wow.

And you're five years old and you have blood all over.

And gee, that's traumatic, man.

That's like a tough, crazy thing to go through.

Yeah.

Of the I don't even know how to answer to talk about that in the in the 200 out of the 400 that you personally found implants in.

Do these people have usually UFO experiences associated with the implants or in certain cases are is it like people coming into their room sort of thing.

Do you think at any point in time, some of the mind control stuff we discussed earlier was like aliens were used as sort of some sort of smoke screen for that?

Like it was like there's a book called Controllers by a guy named Martin Cannon, and he talks about MK Ultra, but then the air MK often and how there are implants involved in some of these things and how.

they would shade people's experiences to make them think that they were alien and to be honest it's kind of a slim poorly researched book that doesn't for me explain everything neatly at all but uh yeah what's your what's your take i think that that may occur i think that mk ultra might might do that sometimes but i think that the vast majority of the um

Yeah.

I mean, there's so many cases that I also encounter where I'm like, you just can't explain that with, you know, human prosaic tech.

I do find it interesting.

You were at UCLA in the 80s.

Yeah.