Jesse Michels

So, yeah, I think you have a few stories and then you have David Grush, who I think is pretty beyond reproach.

And then the thing you mentioned, Gary Nolan, he's a Stanford microbiologist.

You know, he's a really, you know, well-acclaimed kind of professor tenured there.

And he works with Jacques Vallet, who I've mentioned earlier, who's this French godfather of ufology.

He's actually depicted by Francois Truffaut, or he's played by Francois Truffaut in Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

And he's this very interesting kind of almost mystical figure in UFO research.

And he gets, he publishes his address online.

So when people, you know, see crashes, they'll literally send the material to him.

he'll send that material to Gary Nolan to do material analysis and mass spectrometry on them.

And Gary Nolan does mass spectrometry on one of these crashes, which I believe crashed over the beach in Ubatuba in Brazil.

And he goes, these contain isotope ratios that don't naturally exist on Earth.

They're not man-made.

I don't know what the hell.

Or they could be man-made, but you would need centrifuge access and a lot of money to do that.

I think the crash occurred in the 50s or 60s.

So you need a crazy scientific level of access.

And then the question is, why?

Like what do you, you're like exploding a thing that you centrifuged the like isotope ratios on above the beach in Brazil.

It doesn't make sense.

So yeah, but then it's always one of those things where it's like, you know, until people see like a full scale craft, I think they'll be skeptical and they have the right to be skeptical.