Jesse Michels

Okay.

Okay.

It's fascinating, man.

Well, I really hope you get all the support for your work.

You're trying to raise money for this company, is that right?

Well, hopefully this gets amplified among people with deep pockets who are interested, I think, in supporting, you know, some of the most frontier science and work.

Really?

What do you think it is, you know, with Bigelow and a lot of these guys, it's like there's this desire to get into this stuff and you really want to know.

And then things get like dark at a certain point.

Like it's sort of, it's a very, and I find this, you know,

uh, with my own inquiries into the topic where like, it's just, uh, it's hard to navigate because there's a lot of weird stuff.

You know, it's, there's a lot, there are a lot of bad, there's a lot of bad energy.

And then there's, there's good energy too.

There are amazing people in this field, but a lot of people are attracted to it for the wrong reasons.

And there's, uh,

I think there's even like a like an Old Testament line about trying to use trying to go into, you know, kind of sacred stuff using with a commercial impulse and that being like this really, you know, bad thing to do.

having said that, I think we live in a capitalist system and like the only thing that kind of works in the modern day is like start a company around the thing.

So I'm not like anti all companies, you know, I used to invest in companies.

So it's this weird, but it is this weird thing where I think if, if the motivation is to make money off the thing, it often goes south.

And I,