Jesse Michels

I do want to make the, I think, still pretty bold claim that like private vital physics went behind the iron curtain of secrecy and classification.

And

It's kind of crazy to say that it didn't.

Like, of course, in a world of, you know, the atomic era, Cold War era stuff, where you have Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, you know, getting tried for stealing, you know, a secret.

You have the Red Scare, you know, stealing atomic secrets.

You have Klaus Fuchs.

The whole reason the Soviets had their atomic program is because for nine years he was giving them nuclear trade secrets.

You have all these, you know, kangaroo courts around.

Oppenheimer was stripped of his queue clearance because of this stuff.

Of course, you're going to get secret science and you're going to get public science, especially in the world of, you know, where science is getting more and more dangerous as an art form.

You know, like, if you split an atom, like, you get into pretty destructive territory.

You get into weird modalities.

And you get into, I mean, you can get into other, the whole other conversation is how

splitting an atom and doing, you know, nuclear controlled nuclear fusion might be actually threatening to the establishment in other ways.

And again, there are plenty of, I don't want to play that role because there are plenty of people in the UFO community who are like, sure.

We're like hiding, you know, free energy machines that will like, you know, allow us to like live on clean energy and like get rid of, you know, you know, uh, uh, petrol gas forever.

And like, I don't, I'm not saying that.

Um, but what I am saying is, um,

You have this really interesting experiment in the 50s around, which is essentially what would get us to interstellar travel.

I don't think even conventional physicists, even conventional aerospace people would all admit that Elon Musk's SpaceX stuff is like, it's a recruiting tactic.