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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
If you look at our most frontier weapons testing, it is the Department of Energy.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
This is something that's a constant source of frustration with me because I've had...
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
Pretty high up people like in government say like, you figured out this crazy thing.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
Like there's probably a there there or whatever.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
I'm like, then what is going on?
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
Because like there's one line in the biography of Townsend Brown, who's this amazing book called The Man Who Mastered Gravity by a guy named Paul Shatskin.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
And he's this just extremely enigmatic, interesting guy.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
He literally parachutes in behind enemy lines to Nazi Germany to retrieve some tech at the end of the war.
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He's close friends with William Stevenson and confidants with William Stevenson, who is...
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
He's Winston Churchill's super spy.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
He's the inspiration for Ian Fleming's James Bond.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
And he basically, you know, is in charge of the MI6 and helps form the CIA with Wild Bill Donovan in the U.S.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
So, like, spooky, interesting figures.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
And, you know, Townsend Brown is dealing with Curtis LeMay, who's chief of staff of the American Air Force.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
He's dealing with allβhe shows up at Martin Corporation the year that Skunk Works starts.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
So Martin Corporation is pre-Lockheed Martin, what everybody knows today as our, you know, one of our biggest defense contractors responsible for all our stealth craft.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
And the year that Skunk Works, their most secretive R&D division, forms, he happens to start working there, which is really interesting.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
Yeah.
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
He's like this like zealot or Forrest Gump character in mid-century American politics and military and science where you're like, what is your deal?
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E178 - Jesse Michels: What UFO Sightings Reveal About Power, Technology, and the Unknown | Jesse Michels
And...