Jesse Michels

Betty has like marks on her dress or whatever that she comes back with and doesn't know what happens.

And then a lot of the actual recollection of, you know, the core experience comes out in a hypnotic regression.

But I think that is really when grays were introduced into the zeitgeist was, was probably 1961.

But again, it's this weird thing where outer limits is also playing around that time.

So around that time, I think is when, you know, great grays were introduced and,

Nordics, it's tough.

I mean, you could go back to like the Theosophical Society of like, you know, late 19th century.

You know, I'll revise my gray thing.

Like Aleister Crowley, who's like a very dark figure, talk about left-hand path, you know, part of the OTO in Pasadena in L.A.,

Like he drew this figure he called Lamb, which looks kind of like a gray alien.

And, you know, he claims he like summoned this thing that came from like a portal.

It's probably demonic knowing him or whatever.

And so like maybe he's kind of the original gray guy.

You could say actually, you know, connected to Aleister Crowley.

Jack Parsons has an experience.

Jack Parsons is basically like the godfather of American rocketry.

He founds JPL.

And he would do these tests, these rocketry tests in the Mojave Desert.

And they were known as the Suicide Squad.

And he ended up blowing himself up.