Jesse Michels

But what they would always say is they experience, you use the word noetic, they experience noesis, which is the Greek primordial knowledge of the soul.

And so there's this idea where if you kill the...

Like, if the body is a compression function on a default state of greater omniscience, if you temporarily suspend the senses and actually kill the body temporarily, are you given greater knowledge and greater access?

And whether you're studying near-death experiences or, you know...

A lot of, you know, people in like the early like, you know, Stargate program, psychic spy program and like, you know, which is the CIA studied psychic spies, which is pretty crazy, or just anecdotal information from Monroe or from, you know, the telepathy tapes.

the idea of being disembodied can actually be an advantage.

And that really is a Platonic model of epistemology because the senses in Plato's dialogues are all, they're misleading.

You know, like this world is elusive, but it's, or it's alluring rather, but it's really leading you, you know, towards this false thing that you're seeing the shadow play and actually going towards the light, which is true knowledge is, you know, is how you become sort of enlightened.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And it's, you can, a lot of, I'm sure the people you have on your show are like, like, you know, like, like roomie, you know, through the wound comes the light.

Well, what is the wound?

It's like a wound on a physical, your physical body.

Like, and that often is the case with people where they'll experience some trauma.

And often it's literally embodied trauma.

You could read like, you know, what is it?

The body keeps the score or whatever, you know, and you end up with these like this embodied information.

And that ends up, you know, you fulfill your karmic cycle by like healing that thing.

And so, yeah, I think our model of epistemology is probably backwards.

And the body and the brain are not productive.