Jesse Michels

I think it's like a lot of reality itself where it's the interplay between kind of preconceived notions and thoughts and then the thing itself.

There's something – like there's some middle path between extreme materialist reductionism and we are a happy accident.

You, Andre, are just a bunch of atoms that bounced off of one another in a way that emerged into you.

Like that's crazy to me.

But then the other side is like everything is like –

drenched in meaning and there's some middle path and i don't quite know what the answer is but i was hoping you could enlighten us well no i mean it's one of one of your other guests who is far superior than i is like a spiritual thinker will be able to do that

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh, such a great question.

So I think you just did an amazing interview with Kai Dickens.

We both did interviews with her in the telepathy tapes.

You have this phenomena of...

these nonverbal, often autistic children who are often disembodied.

And so it's this interesting thing where because they're disembodied, if you think of the body as only adaptive, it's only gonna give you more information by being in it than they're at this crazy disadvantage.

But if you think of the body as actually a prism or a compression function on a default state of greater omniscience, then you take your hands out of the machine, you take your head out of the virtual reality headset, and you know more.

And with the leaving of one sense, you gain another.

And Aldous Huxley, who talks about transmission theory of consciousness, a la William James,

himself actually went blind at the end of his life and talks about this in this really, you know, beautiful kind of articulate way.

If you look at ancient mystery rituals, like the Eleusinian mystery rituals, you know, so you have Socrates, if he existed, Plato, you know, Aristotle, even Marcus Aurelius going to Eleusis, this place northwest of Athens, right?

to essentially drink this Kekeon drink and experience this temporary death of the physical body, you would think that that wouldn't be valuable at all in the world where the body is the only way to gain productive information.