Jesse Michels

Like, if we did, like, I did just interview the president of a Russian republic who was taken aboard a UFO while he was sitting president.

But that's, you know, an outlier.

And then he says he has some other presidents who like won't go public with of nations, you know, which is crazy.

But that's that's the exception to the rule.

Usually it's like average people.

And usually you're left asking, well, why Betty and Barney Hill or why, you know, they're just normal people.

So it's very confusing, but it's very interesting, too.

It's a great question.

So I think if we are living...

in an adaptive low-level version of reality.

Simulation or the Don Hoffman thing, something like that.

And I hate the word simulation because it has this postmodern nihilistic context.

And I think in the Platonic context, it's very empowering and it makes your life extremely important.

It doesn't make it like, oh, play Grand Theft Auto.

It makes it like this sacred thing.

So with that caveat, I do think there's something participatory about whatever's going on here.

So if you are in this, call it a matrix, how would you break out of the matrix?

Well, there'd be two ways.

One would be high energy physics.

So it would be the reckless way.