Jesse Weber

But if you look a little bit closer, you could see that some parts of their narratives weren't making total sense. And I think that when you go back and you see it, you just realize that in the end of the day, what really did make sense is you had two sons who killed their parents in cold blood. And that's where the evidence lined up.

I knew I was killing the children, but I couldn't stop myself.

I knew I was killing the children, but I couldn't stop myself.

I knew I was killing the children, but I couldn't stop myself.

So what happened was, you know, as time goes on, and I want to be clear to your listeners. They could have gotten away with this forever. No one would have known. But Eric, it seemed to be he really had a guilty conscience. When the brothers were first arrested for robbery or stealing from houses, they had to see a psychiatrist.

So what happened was, you know, as time goes on, and I want to be clear to your listeners. They could have gotten away with this forever. No one would have known. But Eric, it seemed to be he really had a guilty conscience. When the brothers were first arrested for robbery or stealing from houses, they had to see a psychiatrist.

So what happened was, you know, as time goes on, and I want to be clear to your listeners. They could have gotten away with this forever. No one would have known. But Eric, it seemed to be he really had a guilty conscience. When the brothers were first arrested for robbery or stealing from houses, they had to see a psychiatrist.

And Eric ends up confessing to this psychiatrist he and his brother's role in the killings of their parents. Lyle ends up showing up to that office and threatens the psychiatrist. From there, the psychiatrist's mistress ends up being the key witness who turns on him, ends up exposing everything that happened.

And Eric ends up confessing to this psychiatrist he and his brother's role in the killings of their parents. Lyle ends up showing up to that office and threatens the psychiatrist. From there, the psychiatrist's mistress ends up being the key witness who turns on him, ends up exposing everything that happened.

And Eric ends up confessing to this psychiatrist he and his brother's role in the killings of their parents. Lyle ends up showing up to that office and threatens the psychiatrist. From there, the psychiatrist's mistress ends up being the key witness who turns on him, ends up exposing everything that happened.

And if it wasn't for Eric admitting what happened and Lyle showing up, there's a strong chance that these brothers may never have been caught. It was just it seemed to be. And this is why Lyle, I think there was a part of it where he blamed Eric for what happened.

And if it wasn't for Eric admitting what happened and Lyle showing up, there's a strong chance that these brothers may never have been caught. It was just it seemed to be. And this is why Lyle, I think there was a part of it where he blamed Eric for what happened.

And if it wasn't for Eric admitting what happened and Lyle showing up, there's a strong chance that these brothers may never have been caught. It was just it seemed to be. And this is why Lyle, I think there was a part of it where he blamed Eric for what happened.

So there was two trials. And the first trial ended up they were tried separately, the brothers, and there were two hung juries, meaning both juries for each brother couldn't decide whether or not this was murder or manslaughter. And that's key because of the first trial. Manslaughter was an option. They were able to argue imperfect self-defense, which I mentioned before.

So there was two trials. And the first trial ended up they were tried separately, the brothers, and there were two hung juries, meaning both juries for each brother couldn't decide whether or not this was murder or manslaughter. And that's key because of the first trial. Manslaughter was an option. They were able to argue imperfect self-defense, which I mentioned before.

So there was two trials. And the first trial ended up they were tried separately, the brothers, and there were two hung juries, meaning both juries for each brother couldn't decide whether or not this was murder or manslaughter. And that's key because of the first trial. Manslaughter was an option. They were able to argue imperfect self-defense, which I mentioned before.

And what happened was the majority of the jurors. I think the male jurors wanted first-degree murder. The female jurors wanted manslaughter. And the brothers were able to fully put on – and they both testified that they were abused by their parents. And they felt that they were in fear for their lives, that if they were to expose their parents, their parents were going to kill them.

And what happened was the majority of the jurors. I think the male jurors wanted first-degree murder. The female jurors wanted manslaughter. And the brothers were able to fully put on – and they both testified that they were abused by their parents. And they felt that they were in fear for their lives, that if they were to expose their parents, their parents were going to kill them.

And what happened was the majority of the jurors. I think the male jurors wanted first-degree murder. The female jurors wanted manslaughter. And the brothers were able to fully put on – and they both testified that they were abused by their parents. And they felt that they were in fear for their lives, that if they were to expose their parents, their parents were going to kill them.

And that's what kind of – gave pause to the jurors. What ended up happening was, and this is incredibly significant, going into the second trial, the prosecutors realized we need to change our tactics. And they objected to the defense being able to argue imperfect self-defense. And the judge agreed. And by the way, that has been upheld by every court that has seen this issue since that.