Jesse Weber

And that's what kind of – gave pause to the jurors. What ended up happening was, and this is incredibly significant, going into the second trial, the prosecutors realized we need to change our tactics. And they objected to the defense being able to argue imperfect self-defense. And the judge agreed. And by the way, that has been upheld by every court that has seen this issue since that.

And that's what kind of – gave pause to the jurors. What ended up happening was, and this is incredibly significant, going into the second trial, the prosecutors realized we need to change our tactics. And they objected to the defense being able to argue imperfect self-defense. And the judge agreed. And by the way, that has been upheld by every court that has seen this issue since that.

You know what? You're right. The brothers can't argue in perfect self-defense. They might have had a general fear of their lives, but they didn't have a specific enough fear to justify gunning down their parents. In the second trial, manslaughter wasn't even an option with respect to Kitty. It was an option with respect to Jose.

You know what? You're right. The brothers can't argue in perfect self-defense. They might have had a general fear of their lives, but they didn't have a specific enough fear to justify gunning down their parents. In the second trial, manslaughter wasn't even an option with respect to Kitty. It was an option with respect to Jose.

You know what? You're right. The brothers can't argue in perfect self-defense. They might have had a general fear of their lives, but they didn't have a specific enough fear to justify gunning down their parents. In the second trial, manslaughter wasn't even an option with respect to Kitty. It was an option with respect to Jose.

You could say they they killed him in the heat of the moment, but not self-defense heat of the moment. With respect to Kitty, they really didn't have much of defense. It was either first degree murder or not guilty. And I think the defense tried to say in the second trial it was her own fault because she didn't do enough to protect the brothers. Now, when anybody looks at the two trials.

You could say they they killed him in the heat of the moment, but not self-defense heat of the moment. With respect to Kitty, they really didn't have much of defense. It was either first degree murder or not guilty. And I think the defense tried to say in the second trial it was her own fault because she didn't do enough to protect the brothers. Now, when anybody looks at the two trials.

You could say they they killed him in the heat of the moment, but not self-defense heat of the moment. With respect to Kitty, they really didn't have much of defense. It was either first degree murder or not guilty. And I think the defense tried to say in the second trial it was her own fault because she didn't do enough to protect the brothers. Now, when anybody looks at the two trials.

The difference was in the second trial, both brothers were limited in what evidence they could introduce about abuse. And again, this is key. Every court that has looked at this has said there was no mistake there. It was right to not allow them to introduce all that evidence because a Lyle didn't testify in the second trial because he made a big mistake.

The difference was in the second trial, both brothers were limited in what evidence they could introduce about abuse. And again, this is key. Every court that has looked at this has said there was no mistake there. It was right to not allow them to introduce all that evidence because a Lyle didn't testify in the second trial because he made a big mistake.

The difference was in the second trial, both brothers were limited in what evidence they could introduce about abuse. And again, this is key. Every court that has looked at this has said there was no mistake there. It was right to not allow them to introduce all that evidence because a Lyle didn't testify in the second trial because he made a big mistake.

Between his first trial and his second trial, he ended up confessing to somebody that he kind of snowed the first jury and said things that if he took the stand in his second trial, he would be cross-examined about and he'd be really in trouble. And also the judge said for the second trial, they can't introduce as much evidence about abuse because it's cumulative, it's repetitive.

Between his first trial and his second trial, he ended up confessing to somebody that he kind of snowed the first jury and said things that if he took the stand in his second trial, he would be cross-examined about and he'd be really in trouble. And also the judge said for the second trial, they can't introduce as much evidence about abuse because it's cumulative, it's repetitive.

Between his first trial and his second trial, he ended up confessing to somebody that he kind of snowed the first jury and said things that if he took the stand in his second trial, he would be cross-examined about and he'd be really in trouble. And also the judge said for the second trial, they can't introduce as much evidence about abuse because it's cumulative, it's repetitive.

I'd have to be clear about this. There's a misunderstanding. There's this concept that all the brothers were railroaded in their second trial. They weren't able to introduce any evidence of abuse. That is not true. In the second trial, Eric was able to testify for seven days.

I'd have to be clear about this. There's a misunderstanding. There's this concept that all the brothers were railroaded in their second trial. They weren't able to introduce any evidence of abuse. That is not true. In the second trial, Eric was able to testify for seven days.

I'd have to be clear about this. There's a misunderstanding. There's this concept that all the brothers were railroaded in their second trial. They weren't able to introduce any evidence of abuse. That is not true. In the second trial, Eric was able to testify for seven days.

He was able to call witnesses like a doctor who testified that he suffered from PTSD and that this could be caused by abuse. Family members talked about physical abuse, verbal abuse. Their cousin testified that Eric had told him Jose had molested him. There was another doctor who testified about Eric having anxiety disorder.

He was able to call witnesses like a doctor who testified that he suffered from PTSD and that this could be caused by abuse. Family members talked about physical abuse, verbal abuse. Their cousin testified that Eric had told him Jose had molested him. There was another doctor who testified about Eric having anxiety disorder.

He was able to call witnesses like a doctor who testified that he suffered from PTSD and that this could be caused by abuse. Family members talked about physical abuse, verbal abuse. Their cousin testified that Eric had told him Jose had molested him. There was another doctor who testified about Eric having anxiety disorder.