Jesse Weber

Lyle ended up relying on a lot of those witnesses because he didn't take the stand and because he couldn't take the stand. He didn't lay a foundation for all that evidence to come in. So he was mostly relying on his brother's witnesses. But at the end of the day, the jury in the second trial didn't believe it.

Lyle ended up relying on a lot of those witnesses because he didn't take the stand and because he couldn't take the stand. He didn't lay a foundation for all that evidence to come in. So he was mostly relying on his brother's witnesses. But at the end of the day, the jury in the second trial didn't believe it.

Lyle ended up relying on a lot of those witnesses because he didn't take the stand and because he couldn't take the stand. He didn't lay a foundation for all that evidence to come in. So he was mostly relying on his brother's witnesses. But at the end of the day, the jury in the second trial didn't believe it.

They didn't hear as much as the first jury heard. So in the second trial, there were 64 witnesses called, I believe. In the first trial, there was 101. But there was evidence of sexual abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse that that second jury did hear. And even though they were Eric's witnesses, they could have. attributed that to Lyle, too.

They didn't hear as much as the first jury heard. So in the second trial, there were 64 witnesses called, I believe. In the first trial, there was 101. But there was evidence of sexual abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse that that second jury did hear. And even though they were Eric's witnesses, they could have. attributed that to Lyle, too.

They didn't hear as much as the first jury heard. So in the second trial, there were 64 witnesses called, I believe. In the first trial, there was 101. But there was evidence of sexual abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse that that second jury did hear. And even though they were Eric's witnesses, they could have. attributed that to Lyle, too.

And at the end of the day, they found both brothers guilty of murder. And I think the important distinction is I personally believe there's strong evidence based on the brother's testimony, based on these witnesses, that these brothers were abused in one way or another. But what that means is just because they're abused doesn't mean that they should be found not guilty of first degree murder.

And at the end of the day, they found both brothers guilty of murder. And I think the important distinction is I personally believe there's strong evidence based on the brother's testimony, based on these witnesses, that these brothers were abused in one way or another. But what that means is just because they're abused doesn't mean that they should be found not guilty of first degree murder.

And at the end of the day, they found both brothers guilty of murder. And I think the important distinction is I personally believe there's strong evidence based on the brother's testimony, based on these witnesses, that these brothers were abused in one way or another. But what that means is just because they're abused doesn't mean that they should be found not guilty of first degree murder.

That's a tricky question. There are those who would say she participated in the abuse. There are those who would say not necessarily the sexual abuse, but other kinds of abuse. And then there are those who would say she was just turned a blind eye. There were others who say she knew what was going on and didn't stop it.

That's a tricky question. There are those who would say she participated in the abuse. There are those who would say not necessarily the sexual abuse, but other kinds of abuse. And then there are those who would say she was just turned a blind eye. There were others who say she knew what was going on and didn't stop it.

That's a tricky question. There are those who would say she participated in the abuse. There are those who would say not necessarily the sexual abuse, but other kinds of abuse. And then there are those who would say she was just turned a blind eye. There were others who say she knew what was going on and didn't stop it.

You know, one of the allegations that came up in the second trial is you had witnesses who said that when Jose would take his boys into a room, into the bedroom, no one was allowed in. And, you know, look, again, at the end of the day, that's not enough to kill your father. That's not enough to kill your mother. But it did become a question of what was her role in all of this.

You know, one of the allegations that came up in the second trial is you had witnesses who said that when Jose would take his boys into a room, into the bedroom, no one was allowed in. And, you know, look, again, at the end of the day, that's not enough to kill your father. That's not enough to kill your mother. But it did become a question of what was her role in all of this.

You know, one of the allegations that came up in the second trial is you had witnesses who said that when Jose would take his boys into a room, into the bedroom, no one was allowed in. And, you know, look, again, at the end of the day, that's not enough to kill your father. That's not enough to kill your mother. But it did become a question of what was her role in all of this.

And it was more limited because while the brothers in the second trial could argue that they killed their father in the heat of the moment, they weren't allowed to argue that with respect to Kitty. So I think that in and of itself shows you what role she might have played versus her husband.

And it was more limited because while the brothers in the second trial could argue that they killed their father in the heat of the moment, they weren't allowed to argue that with respect to Kitty. So I think that in and of itself shows you what role she might have played versus her husband.

And it was more limited because while the brothers in the second trial could argue that they killed their father in the heat of the moment, they weren't allowed to argue that with respect to Kitty. So I think that in and of itself shows you what role she might have played versus her husband.

Something I have to say about this. Number one, yes, they were model prisoners. That's going to be very important as what we're about to get into. Good behavior. They've earned several degrees. One was a green space prison beautification program that Lyle started. Low risk assessment scores. Lyle hadn't got into a fight in 30 years. So, yeah, definitely model prisoners.

Something I have to say about this. Number one, yes, they were model prisoners. That's going to be very important as what we're about to get into. Good behavior. They've earned several degrees. One was a green space prison beautification program that Lyle started. Low risk assessment scores. Lyle hadn't got into a fight in 30 years. So, yeah, definitely model prisoners.