Jesse Zhang

And again, I think we exited at a very fortunate time.

It was 2021.

But throughout the journey, at the beginning, I didn't really know what we were building.

And then trying a bunch of things.

When you're a new grad, you don't really have good intuition on what idea is good or not.

So you just work really hard for three months.

And then you realize that, obviously, you had no market.

So that's tough.

And then about a year and a half in, I had two of my good friends from school who were my co-founders.

They both got burnt out and then decided to leave.

So it was just me after that, trying to figure out what to do.

And so...

That's I think when you I think that's way tougher than anything we're doing right now.

It's like a way you put it like emotional thing.

It's you don't really know if there is any future or not.

There's a lot of pressure because you don't want like the first thing you work on to be a failure, essentially.

So I think that was much tougher from like a psychological point of view.

Nowadays, I think it's tough, just just like a sheer amount of stuff to do.

We're not getting much sleep.

But in the grand scheme of things, you got to be really grateful, even be in this position to have enough work to do and have enough interesting problems to have a team that you're really excited to work with every day.