Jesse Zhang

How much do you think you're sleeping?

I mean, it really varies.

This week in New York, it's probably like four to five hours a day.

And it's not good because like I'm not someone whose brain functions that well on less than eight hours.

I think this is probably true of starting companies.

I think the first stage is like by far the hardest because you're kind of just like finding direction and finding direction is very difficult.

Because by definition, it's not something where you can just like you have like a goal and you're just like grinding towards it.

You can get there.

Your goal could be finding a direction, but it's more exploratory.

So I think what we actually are quite good at now, and Ashwin, my co-founder, who's amazing, he also has similar background.

He started a company before that got acquired.

I think when you start a company the first time, you often share the same experiences, which is like finding directions very difficult.

So I think this time we were a lot more thoughtful about it.

And again, it goes back to what your strengths are.

I think we view our strengths as like, hey, we're very good at problem solving.

We're very just rational about things.

We're just good at like execution.

And so if that's the case, then I think we just try to systematize the ideation process.

And it just comes down to, okay, you need to, whatever you work on, it has to be something that people will really invest in.

And