Jessica Knurick

Um, so, so some of that can happen.

Well, in these guidelines, the problem with these guidelines right now is that, as you say, meat is very present on the visual representation and in the lexicon and how we're talking about it.

And when you look at the actual guidelines, they actually keep the recommendation to keep saturated fat less than 10%.

And it's virtually impossible to eat most of your protein from animal meats and keep saturated fat less than 10%.

So the visual representation is very confusing because it's very difficult, even as a nutrition professional,

To devise a diet that actually follows all of those.

I mean, I can only hypothesize that it's because if you look at the scientific evidence, you look at global nutrition research, there's no scientific rationale for increasing to recommend more saturated fat.

The recommendation of less than 10% is globally recommended and that's in line with scientific evidence.

10% of total calories.

But they want to be promoting more meat, right?

I mean, some of the people leading our agencies have identified as carnivore people.

And so it's kind of an ideology.

So it's ideology overriding scientific evidence, essentially.

Oh.

And they're clashing.

Well, that was the original pyramid.

The original pyramid.

The inverted one is just a bunch of foods thrown on, like on clip art.

Oh, yes.

Yes.