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Jessica Kriegel

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105 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Tech has historically been known as the cool kids, and they have the glass offices with the ping pong tables, the kombucha in the break room, the volleyball courts outside, the bring your dog to work day, and all those other great perks that Google made popular 30 years ago now, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Tech has historically been known as the cool kids, and they have the glass offices with the ping pong tables, the kombucha in the break room, the volleyball courts outside, the bring your dog to work day, and all those other great perks that Google made popular 30 years ago now, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

All the other tech firms followed suit because they had to be cool and edgy in order to attract talent when there was the fight for tech talent in Silicon Valley and elsewhere. Well, Law firms, smaller organizations, those firms aren't trying to get people back in the office because our offices are so cool and we need to be more collaborative and creative like we used to be.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

All the other tech firms followed suit because they had to be cool and edgy in order to attract talent when there was the fight for tech talent in Silicon Valley and elsewhere. Well, Law firms, smaller organizations, those firms aren't trying to get people back in the office because our offices are so cool and we need to be more collaborative and creative like we used to be.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

All the other tech firms followed suit because they had to be cool and edgy in order to attract talent when there was the fight for tech talent in Silicon Valley and elsewhere. Well, Law firms, smaller organizations, those firms aren't trying to get people back in the office because our offices are so cool and we need to be more collaborative and creative like we used to be.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

They're just saying people aren't being as productive. We need people back in the office because they need to get back to work. People are doing laundry and they're going to coffee shops and they're not being as productive. So the reason I'm noticing behind closed doors is different.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

They're just saying people aren't being as productive. We need people back in the office because they need to get back to work. People are doing laundry and they're going to coffee shops and they're not being as productive. So the reason I'm noticing behind closed doors is different.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

They're just saying people aren't being as productive. We need people back in the office because they need to get back to work. People are doing laundry and they're going to coffee shops and they're not being as productive. So the reason I'm noticing behind closed doors is different.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I do think there is something to that. I think being in person does do something to a working relationship that makes it a little bit juicier. I don't know what the definition of juicy is, but call it a vibe, right? Everyone who's listening knows what I'm talking about. Something is different when you meet someone in person. Having said that.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I do think there is something to that. I think being in person does do something to a working relationship that makes it a little bit juicier. I don't know what the definition of juicy is, but call it a vibe, right? Everyone who's listening knows what I'm talking about. Something is different when you meet someone in person. Having said that.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

I do think there is something to that. I think being in person does do something to a working relationship that makes it a little bit juicier. I don't know what the definition of juicy is, but call it a vibe, right? Everyone who's listening knows what I'm talking about. Something is different when you meet someone in person. Having said that.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Take your real estate budget and make it a travel budget instead. Let people get together for really intensive three-day thing every quarter rather than going into the office three days a week, maybe or maybe not running into the person, having all of the discomforts of going into the office. And I think you can get maybe even a better result out of your people.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Take your real estate budget and make it a travel budget instead. Let people get together for really intensive three-day thing every quarter rather than going into the office three days a week, maybe or maybe not running into the person, having all of the discomforts of going into the office. And I think you can get maybe even a better result out of your people.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Take your real estate budget and make it a travel budget instead. Let people get together for really intensive three-day thing every quarter rather than going into the office three days a week, maybe or maybe not running into the person, having all of the discomforts of going into the office. And I think you can get maybe even a better result out of your people.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Let me tell you the other real reason that people are doing this, right? For technology companies, they were for the longest time in gather market share mode, build and gather market share, which requires an enormous amount of effort and people where we are building and we're gathering market share and we're growing at the fastest pace possible so that we can be at the top of our game.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Let me tell you the other real reason that people are doing this, right? For technology companies, they were for the longest time in gather market share mode, build and gather market share, which requires an enormous amount of effort and people where we are building and we're gathering market share and we're growing at the fastest pace possible so that we can be at the top of our game.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Let me tell you the other real reason that people are doing this, right? For technology companies, they were for the longest time in gather market share mode, build and gather market share, which requires an enormous amount of effort and people where we are building and we're gathering market share and we're growing at the fastest pace possible so that we can be at the top of our game.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

And these companies have now reached the kind of the peak of that work. They have built the thing. Now it's an iterative process of maintaining, of improving, and continuing to grow incrementally, which means they need a lot less people than they did in growth mode. They are scaling back. They're having layoffs.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

And these companies have now reached the kind of the peak of that work. They have built the thing. Now it's an iterative process of maintaining, of improving, and continuing to grow incrementally, which means they need a lot less people than they did in growth mode. They are scaling back. They're having layoffs.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

And these companies have now reached the kind of the peak of that work. They have built the thing. Now it's an iterative process of maintaining, of improving, and continuing to grow incrementally, which means they need a lot less people than they did in growth mode. They are scaling back. They're having layoffs.