Jessica Tarlov

But besides that, you know, it's kind of washed.

I'm curious what you think a Democrat will do because, I mean, there are certain things that Trump has done, like, you know, strengthening.

It's interesting to think about it now that, like—

he's a central cog in the idea that NATO could actually be torn apart.

But he did strengthen NATO to a good degree.

And I think it's important that people pay their fair share and things like that.

But it'll be interesting to see how Dems react to it, because I don't think the same old, and this goes for every topic area, whether it's domestic or foreign affairs, you know, showing up and say, we're going to go back to the, you know, the norm, right?

Like everybody is looking for things to be

shaken up and i'm curious what you think a democrat would do if they are coming in in 2028 and they're looking at the eu they're looking at nato and saying like we want to be back with you

Or reputation.

That's interesting, because I wouldn't think that this level of fissure with our other Democratic Western allies was the direction that we had to be going in.

I think that there is a world where we could be like, it's us versus them, and it's more traditional axes of evil, right?

Where you're like, you know who Vladimir Putin is versus who Volodymyr Zelensky is, and you know who President Xi is, and, you know, like...

I thought that that could be sustained, but I'm also a bit of a Pollyanna about things.

She has these incredible.

I was much more afraid of her than what she has been in actuality.

Yeah.

Her line about we'll get rid of the bases and also the McDonald's is here was good.

Yeah, I wanted to, you brought up Jared Kushner's dystopian PowerPoint presentation, which included a plea if everyone could just chill out for 30 days so they could figure this out more.

It's so unprofessional.